Re: [revival-fire] Bentley-Doris Wagner--My Take on the Lakeland Happenings

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Thank you so much for sending this out.I wish that all who would have negitive things to say would be able to read this.I am so blessed to know that Todd has the best people to surround him with love,guidance and healing.I love Todd, Shawna, and their children and I will stand in the gap with you believing for God to do great things in their lives,for restoration and healing and anything else God puts on my heart.We serve a God who loves us very much and only wants the very best for our lives.God will restore.God knew what He was doing when He had the men of God come and bless Todd.What the enemy means for bad God will turn it around for His good and His glory.
John 10:10
The thief comes to kill,steal,and destroy .
Jesus came that we might have life and life more abundantly.
We love you and bless you in the name of our precious Lord Jesus.
Amen.
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A friend just sent this to me with the following, so appropriate thoughts:  "God ALWAYS surrounds us with a hedge of LOVE......May the INCENSE of prayer go UP from the ALTARS  of His people for ALL who are affected by this information  ....."Bring a live coal to our lips Lord, that we may not sin against You"    I've had Jesus as my Lord for many years and I find the following by Doris to be so scripturally balanced.  It's so sad that Christians are too often known for being so critical of their own spiritual family, instead of Helping to bring about godly solutions and especially by taming their tongue and also truly Praying!  As I did just a 'little' research, it was absolutely shocking and sickening of what so called christians are saying!  I'm so glad I'm grounded in His Lordship and not a new believer or unsaved!  Instead, as Doris is in essence saying--What an 'Opportunity' we have for a true Display of godliness!  Let's ban together to advance HIS Kingdom only on His earth AS it is in His heaven...and Forgive US "AS We" forgive others... AND Bless even our enemies...!  Lastly, remembering that even Jesus did NOT want the removal of the tares (they look just like wheat) from the wheat and WARNED not to try.  Prematurely it becomes more destructive than purifying.  WE are to trust God. (Matthew 13:26)  HE raises up and tears down....  If we're going to error, it's better to be on the side of grace and His kind of Love and not criticalness!

 

From: "Doris M. Wagner" <dorisw@globalharvest.org>

Date: August 15, 2008 9:54:58 AM PDT

To: lambsgate@webtv.net

Subject: My Take on the Lakeland Happenings

Reply-To: dorisw@globalharvest.org

 

C. PETER WAGNER - President  / DORIS M. WAGNER - Executive Vice President CHUCK D. PIERCE - Harvest Watchman A Message from Doris   My Take on the Lakeland Happenings  August 15, 2008 This past Tuesday, August 12, started out like any other tough travel day.  Peter was out of the house by 4 a.m. heading to the airport for a grueling 24 plus hour trip to San Francisco, Tokyo, and finally to Singapore where he would arrive midnight the next day after crossing the International Date Line. He called me from San Francisco with his usual cheerful:  "Hi, did you wake up?"  He hadn't awakened me to say goodbye since I had major surgery on my foot on August 1 and it is sometimes tough to sleep well with the cast on my foot and lower leg.   Did I wake up?  Man, the computer was filled with correspondence about Todd Bentley's announcement that he was separating from his wife.  This was not quite a complete surprise since late the evening before the rumor of marital strife had been dropped in our ears, but it was just a rumor.  Of course we had hoped it wasn't true.   But there it was.     Since Peter doesn't do his own email, I had to read the Lakeland Ledger newspaper article to him.  He then called Chuck Pierce, who immediately wrote the following letter to Peter and e-mailed it to me and wanted to fax it to Peter in the United Airline lounge in San Francisco where he had a little layover.  After some detective work (I couldn't call him directly, his phone was busy and his battery was fading fast from overuse), I located him in the International Lounge and procured that fax number from the kind receptionist.  She found him and positioned him at the fax machine where this letter from Chuck arrived:     August 12, 2008   Dear Peter:   When I got up this morning and prayed about the move of God in Lakeland and Todd Bentley, this is what God showed me:  First of all, I felt a compassion to pray for Todd.  The anointing of this move has stirred up a hunger in the Body, and the scrutiny of Todd's life has probably taken its toll on him.  So when I began to pray for Todd this morning (since I usually set aside Tuesdays to pray), I saw several things.  The Spirit of God is beginning to move greatly.  Also, I feel that your call to set some sort of apostolic authority in place was warranted because of potential problems moving into this move of God.  The order you set in place in Lakeland establishes a structure and boundary for Todd's problems to be addressed.  Before that, there were no boundaries, and Lakeland had been going on for almost three months.     The thing we must remember is that God chose to use Todd to stir up the hunger in the Body of Christ.  Therefore, as I prayed, the Lord took me to the life of Samson.   He is a mystery.  He had a Nazarite vow on his life, yet he had many character flaws.  His character flaws did not stop God from using him.  I think this is the biggest misunderstanding that the Body has when it comes to the anointing.  That is why you see anointed men and women being used so mightily by the Lord, and then falling into sexual sin or monetary impropriety.   Because you have set an order for his life now, for the first time he has a shot at being fully accountable and breaking spiritual forces that could destroy his future.  What he needs to do now is submit to apostolic authority over the next nine months.  Ministry should not to be his goal.  Instead, the restoration of covenant alignments must occur in his life.   He and his wife might not be able to withstand the pressure of ministry together in the future, but during these nine months Todd's choice would be to submit to the authority structure that God has established in his life publicly.  If he does that, he might have a ministry in the future.  If this had not been set in place, this would have been much more serious.  I'm sure others would say you should not have been involved at all.     Since Stephen Strader requested your help and he is in ICA, you did respond to his Macedonian call.  Yes, you would have looked like a hero if you had waited and gotten involved now.  But just as you wrote recently, you chose to establish the order first and then any spiritual discipline could be brought.  That makes you look like a father.     Again, Todd's ministry allowed us all to see the hunger in the Body of Christ for miracles, healing and just a touch from God.  Todd had flaws going into the time in which God chose to initiate his call and had not dealt with some of his problems.  But God still chose to use him.  Not only did his ministry reveal this hunger, but many have gotten saved.  Now, hopefully, Todd will enter in the phase of being disciplined and establish his life in a new way so he can be qualified for use in the future.   Have a good flight to Asia.     Blessings, Chuck     To that, Peter added the following letter the "Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team", Skyped it to our assistant and grabbed his plane for Tokyo and Singapore.     To:             Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team From:         C. Peter Wagner Date:          August 12, 2008 Subject:      Todd Bentley's Character Crisis               Most of you would be aware that the Lakeland Ledger broke the news publicly that Todd and Shona have decided to terminate their marriage.  In Canada this requires a nine-month "separation" before official divorce proceedings can go into effect.  I am quite upset by this development, and I know you will be also.  I am now receiving a large amount of "I told you so!" email and I must say that my friends have a point.  This has taken the lid off of a number of related character accusations against Todd that are now coming in which I might have dismissed previously, but no longer can do so off hand.               Let's take some time to process this.  Todd was officially, publicly aligned with the Revival Alliance, so the three of you should definitely make some kind of statement, probably sending it to Steve Strang.  Let's not sweep this under the rug with a "touch not God's anointed" as has been done with so many similar issues in our morally soft charismatic environment.               Meanwhile, I called Chuck Pierce for help, and he sent me the letter I am attaching with this.  Chuck has some very encouraging insights for us.   Blessings, Peter   C. Peter Wagner President, Global Harvest Ministries Chancellor, Wagner Leadership Institute 719-262-9922

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From Doris Wagner -     Then, during all of Tuesday, until after 1 a.m. Wednesday, all of my time was spent at the computer with e-mails and they all fell into two categories:  the PROS and the CONS, roughly pretty equally divided.   Wednesday and Thursday, all of my waking hours have been spent answering this type of mail.   The Cons are pretty nasty.  One even said:  "Let me be the first to say 'I told you so.'"  These individuals asked Peter not to get involved in the "Lakeland Thing" from the onset.  Some of them are probably rejoicing over Todd's problems.  Several are demanding a public apology from all who were on the platform on June 23rd, along with God TV.  Many are disrespectful, seemingly calling names and slinging mud.  They come across to me as jubilant in victory.  I question the godliness of this attitude.  Along the way we have lost friends who have ceased to trust us, pulled out of our organizations and separated from us.  That's o.k.  They say we have been guilty of poor decisions and actions.   The Pros have seen things differently.   They have agreed with our actions.  Let me reflect a little on these actions as I see it.  If I seem defensive, forgive me.  Peter is such a kind and gentle person that he would never defend himself.  I am a deliverance minister, and can become abrasive when I see Religious Spirits, Pharisaical Spirits, Spirits of jealousy, envy and even hatred become exposed.  The fattest of all is the Accuser of the Brethren very much at work in the current situation.  Whenever Peter is falsely accused in print, he usually just smiles and says "Did they spell my name right?"  If things get really bad with false accusations, by a John Doe, he will serenely say "John Doe is not the enemy-we know who the enemy really is."  This ability to handle the negative really bugs some folks and they dislike him even more.  Believe me, my pillow has been next to his for 58 years and I have seen this played out.  There doesn't seem to be a wide neutral zone, either he is liked or disliked.  That's just the way it is.     Peter is a man of the highest integrity. He's a man of his word, as honest as the day is long.  He has kept his wedding vows-no need to renew them, the old ones are still perfectly good!  He has been total fun to live with and to raise our children together.  He has treated me as a colleague with great respect.  He is brilliant and godly. As we have been working on his memoirs, I have been amazed at what we have accomplished together, and we have worked side by side all of our married lives.  Of all women, I consider myself to be highly blessed.  Enough of that.   Peter did not jump into the "Lakeland Thing" lightly.  He thought about it, prayed about it and we talked it over.  Did "the outpouring" or Todd have some imperfections?  Absolutely.  Peter was asked to help out to set things in order and to investigate what some folks thought might be doctrinally "iffy." He was asked to do this by Lakeland's host, Stephen Strader, a colleague in the International Coalition of Apostles, which Peter leads.  It was a "Macedonian Call" for help.  That is Peter's job.  Many of the Con people mentioned above thought Peter should have said no to this plea.   After serious thought, prayer and consultation, particularly with our most closely related prophet, Chuck Pierce, we decided to move forward.   We felt as though there was a legitimate anointing on Todd's life.  We knew he was an imperfect person but our honest desire was to sort out and save the good.  The other charge against us is that we stupidly could not recognize that these miracles were being done under the power of a satanic spirit and that we were totally lacking in discernment.  My answer to that is, there probably was some of the flesh at work on some occasions, and people operating with a higher level of discernment may have picked up on some things we could not.  I seriously question whether a satanic spirit got away with all of the good. My conclusion is that it was mixed and we wanted to help sort out the good.  The Apostolic Team of 11 apostles which Peter put together is still in the process of sorting all of that out, and time is needed to do that.   The most serious charge against us is that the alignment meeting of June 23 was absolutely wrong (implying that at best we were misled, at worst committed a grave sin in so doing).  Our thought was to bring alignment to Todd, thereby gaining the right to speak into his life and ministry as he accepted the apostolic oversight of Che Ahn, Bill Johnson and John Arnott.  This was accomplished.  Please reread Peter's paper sent out to our entire mailing list a few days ago.  Peter did not "ordain" Todd, as some journalists keep saying over and over wanting it to become truth.  He blessed him, yes!  Isn't it strange that all the negative things surfaced so soon after alignment took place and Todd agreed to oversight?     I see all of this as God's great mercy and love.  Lots of critics just plain don't like Todd's looks.  He's tattooed and pierced and dresses down on the platform. I wouldn't want my son to look like that, but to throw it all out at the cost of throwing out the anointing needs to be carefully considered.  But then the world didn't think much of John the Baptist who probably wore smelly camel pelts and ate bugs.  Jesus had other thoughts about John, however.  As I work in the field of deliverance we start with what wants help and go from there.  To see some major transformation in a person's life is a miracle often witnessed.  We work with some raunchy raw material at times and our only prerequisite is that they want to be helped.  It's enough.  Man, indeed, looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.  Let's look at hearts and the hand of God, and bless what He is blessing.   Todd is in a perfect spot for help.  The night of June 23 when we were there, Todd gave a long testimony.  He has been wounded, and has wounded others along the way.  He is still a young man, rescued from the streets and a biker society.  He is not highly schooled or terribly polished.  He does not fit the scholarly, seminary finishing school mold. He has not had the advantage of a solid steady home environment.   But then again God has this habit of not choosing the things that we would choose.  I could easily see that Todd needs deep inner healing and professional-level deliverance he has not yet had the opportunity to receive.  One of our critics said that we got it backwards and should have taken him into a back room and ministered to him before the ceremony.  We had the luxury of a few minutes with Todd before the evening meeting.  We had never met the man before.  Was I to say  "Hey, Todd, you're a mess and need help in the next five minutes"?      The prescribed protocol is to put things in proper alignment first, then be in a position to speak into his life.  That opportunity is presenting itself now.  Todd now has the opportunity to address some character flaws and get them healed and corrected in order to carry the anointing God has given him.  We in deliverance and inner healing minister to these things daily-they are nothing to be ashamed of.  Not to deal with them out of pride or denial is where the shame can take hold.  I worked with dairy cows as a kid and picked up some of their lice once.  My mom told me as she treated my head with some smelly remedy "The shame is not in getting lice, the shame is in keeping them."  I never had lice again!   Be assured that Todd's overseers, Che, John and Bill along with Peter are hard at work.  Please give us some time.  Peter is in Singapore and goes on to Indonesia for a few days and will not be back until next week.  Che is ministering in Korea.  Bill and John have killer schedules all summer long.  We are working as best and as fast as we can, but there are constraints that slow us a little.  Things like thousands of miles and schedules that cannot be changed, and when it is day here it is night in Asia.     I am very optimistic.  I see a door of opportunity swung wide open.  I see a wonderful, merciful God reaching out.  What many are calling a rotten mess I see as a splendid chance for one of the church's finest hours.  The mess was there festering for a while anyway, now let's fix it.  Is Todd's situation a strange thing?  The breakup of the family is one of the most common societal problems we face today.  How many other couples contemplating family breakup could be encouraged to get help if this is a successful rehabilitation?     Todd now has some fathers by his side to help in time of need and to avoid shipwreck if  he chooses to accept that help.  He now has some authority in his life, and parameters are comforting to kids.  He is deeply loved by many who are in a position to help spiritually, emotionally and mentally.  He is a place of protection he did not have the luxury of before June 23.     Let me close by asking and a few questions:   Might it be that there is a hunger for revival as never before in our country?  I think so.   Might it be that God wants to send us that revival and is anxious to do so but needs the right persons and proper government in His church to look after it? I think so.   Could it be that there was true anointing in an imperfect vessel and a merciful God wanted to set up circumstances to bring healing to Todd?  I think so.   Could it be that when one apostle asked another for help in separating truth from error in a situation of mixture, that error began to surface so quickly?  Isn't the church better off when error is exposed and corrected?  I think so.   Could it be that God brought alignment, authority and order into the Lakeland situation and once that order was established Todd was in a safe place to be ministered to?  If a wounded soul gets help and is rehabilitated, isn't that good?  Isn't it wonderful to have a restoration process in place to help a brother back to useful service and full use of his gifts and anointing? If he decides not to be helped, we have done our job in making that help available, and his overseers have charge of his care.   Isn't this what the church is supposed to look like?  I think so.  If we fail, at least we will have tried. Not to have tried would have been failure to do what God required of us at this point in time.   Now here is where you come in.  PLEASE PRAY.  Ask God to so minister to Todd to soften his heart and to reach out for help, and to be fully healed.  Ask God to help him to be willing to submit to the apostolic oversight that has been put in place.  Ask God to heal his marriage and protect and bless his wife and three children.     This episode has the potential of being one of the finest hours the church has seen in recent years.  I implore you to pray.  Because this has all been so public it is all of our business and we must act on our knees.  We have a real enemy capable of infiltrating the church to truncate this process.  Let's fight for victory!   Sincerely, in Christ,   Doris To support Global Harvest financially:  by Mail: Global Harvest MinistriesP.O. 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